The time has come to say goodbye.
As thankful as I am for the last two years, Thailand’s more restrictive visa policies have made it almost impossible for a lot of foreigners to live full time in the country.
Some expats are not responding well to the change. They’re bending over backwards trying to stay, moaning and groaning while doing so.
Personally, I look forward to change. So that’s not the avenue I’ll be taking.
Change is the only constant in this life. When change comes, you have a choice. You can fight it. Or you can roll with it. The latter will almost certainly lead to better results.
I won’t say that things have become stagnant for me in Chiang Mai, but I’m not sure there was much more personal growth to be had here. Two years is enough. I came, I saw, I conquered, as a certain Roman general was fond of saying.
Chiang Mai has given me so much. And I’m eternally grateful to have had the experience. All the same, though, I’ve taken what it has to give. I’m ready for new experiences.
Usually, when a situation like this comes about, I’d simply leave. I have no emotional connection to physical places. Maybe I’m weird, but I live my life in a methodical way that prioritizes expediency. I think it’s best to live in a place that’s most advantageous, with advantageousness being subjective and depending on what exactly you want. If a place is no longer welcoming and serving me, I leave.
That said, having a relationship with a wonderful woman has complicated that worldview. I don’t mind leaving Thailand. But I do mind leaving her.
So Oh and I had a series of lengthy discussions on all of this.
We wanted to make sure we could stay together while simultaneously satisfying individual aspirations.
It’s clear that we could not continue to keep things as they were, but we also didn’t want to just end the relationship.
This required threading a needle.
I first had her tune into the visa news so that she could have an educated perspective on what exactly is happening here, as a Thai citizen would ordinarily not be aware of these things.
Then we ran through our options on how we could both be happy and still stay together.
Here are the three options we considered, as well as what we ultimately chose to do:
Option #1: Get Married
This is the option that Oh campaigned for. It was an obvious idea that required very little change, particularly on her part.
To be fair to her, it’s the most straightforward option. And it’s the one that most people in this type of situation would probably choose.
However, I don’t think dating for two years is long enough to justify a lifelong commitment. That’s just my personal opinion on the matter. If marriage really is forever, then there’s no need to rush. With divorce rates at ~50% in the States, more people dating for longer might not be a bad thing.
Truthfully, I’m not a big fan of the concept of marriage in the first place. I’m even less a fan of marriage if one is being kind of pressured into it in order to secure a visa. In my view, that’s a terrible motive to get married, even if it’s not the only motive.
Furthermore, a marriage visa is no cakewalk in Thailand. Maintaining a marriage visa involves a large amount of ongoing rigmarole that I’m not even going to get into here. Suffice to say, it’s not like you get married and you’re done forever. It’s a devotion to dealing with immigration on the regular. And it’s only gotten worse over the last year or so.
I’m not against marriage. I’m open to it.
But not right now. Not under current conditions.
If we were to get married, I might see more value in bringing Oh to the US. It’s far less long-term rigmarole – which is really saying something about what’s become of the immigration situation in Thailand. Plus, the US passport (after getting US citizenship) would be a valuable asset for Oh to have. Our long-term plan, which I’ll discuss below, is somewhat restricted in scope because of Thai passport limitations.
Option #2: Split The Cost Of An Elite Visa
Thailand offers what’s known as an Elite visa. It’s basically a pay-to-play visa program that allows one to fork over a big chunk of change in order to stay in Thailand.
The Elite has been around for some time now, but I’ve read reports stating that applications are recently way up and the waiting period has subsequently increased quite a bit. I’ll let you read between the lines.
Anyway, there’s a low-level Elite visa that allows a five-year stay for 500,000 baht. That’s about $16,500 at the current exchange rate. Adding in the opportunity cost means it ends up being significantly more expensive than that over the long run, however.
It’s not a life-changing amount of money, but I’d never in my life consider shelling out more than $16,000 to stay in Thailand – or any other country. There are places all over the world that will welcome me for next to nothing. It’s not even about the money. I’m against this visa on principle alone, frankly speaking.
Imagine having your choice of a dozen different partners to date. And one of them is asking for $16,500, while the others want almost nothing. Even if the one who wants the money is the more attractive partner on the face of things, I would never think of writing that check. It’s a total turn-off to be asked. The very idea of it turns an attractive partner into an unattractive partner. Likewise, this purposeful funneling of expats into an expensive and exploitative visa system turns me off to Thailand.
Now, the only reason to even consider the idea is to stay with Oh. While a dozen different countries will welcome me with open arms, only one of them has Oh living there.
Oh and I chatted about it, almost as a throwaway idea. I gave her my reasons as to why I’m against the visa on principle, even though I can easily afford it.
She understood and concurred, but then brought up the idea of splitting the cost.
An extremely kind gesture, no doubt.
This makes the Elite visa a lot more palatable for me, as she’s essentially making it a less bitter pill to swallow – the only reason for me to stay (Oh) is helping me to stay. If not for her, I’d never buy it. Her helping me on the cost does change the calculus, even if the help is only symbolic in nature (I couldn’t actually take that kind of money from her).
However, we ultimately both agreed that it’s way too much money for what amounts to kicking the can down the road for a few years. There are a million other ways to more effectively and enjoyably spend that money without having to sacrifice principles.
Moreover, I’m not in distress about having to spend significant time outside of Thailand from here on out. I had already planned on doing so as part of the next phase of my life. I like to change it up and keep my edge sharp. Things are admittedly happening faster than I had in mind, and I wasn’t thinking about spending most of the year outside the country. But that’s okay by me.
Committing to living in Thailand full time for the next five years isn’t terribly appetizing, and every month spent outside of the country (with the Elite visa) is throwing money down the drain.
Overall, this option doesn’t work.
Option #3: Leave Thailand Together And Go Traveling
If marriage and the Elite visa are out, there’s no viable way for me to stay in Thailand.
That left us with accepting the inevitable. I have to leave.
However, that doesn’t mean that we can’t stay together.
It simply means that Oh would have to leave, too.
That brings us to the third and final option.
I offered her the opportunity to travel, go on an adventure with me, and see parts of the world together.
If she would be willing to sell her house and quit her job, I would be willing to cover her way and take responsibility for our finances as a team for as long as we’re traveling.
This option would require a big sacrifice on her part. No doubt about it. She’d have to give up everything she’s ever known.
However, with mutual trust and open-mindedness, we could spend more time together, get to better know each other, and have a super interesting lifestyle.
Taking that Elite visa money and traveling with it, instead of blowing it on a temporary visa, sounded far more appealing to me.
Oh is on the same page.
So we spent a lot of time conceptualizing what amounts to a “digital nomad” lifestyle together. The more we chatted about this, the more excited we both became about it.
And this is the choice we decided would be best for us as a couple moving forward.
I see this compromise as a win-win.
We get to stay together, which was the main goal.
In terms of my position, we get to hold off on marriage, avoid shelling out on the Elite visa, spend more time together, visit new places, and grow as people. Also, we’ve been slowly moving Oh toward a more flexible and free lifestyle that’s closer to what I believe in, write about, and live. This option is a coup; it’s a massive leap forward with regard to having her better experience what I believe is a phenomenal way of life.
From Oh’s perspective, she would love to travel and see new places. Her job has also been stressful lately, so she’s not all that upset to quit and take a break for a while. She’s currently renting her house, but she’s come to see a house as an albatross. Her moving in with me over the summer eliminated some of her bills and responsibilities, which was an eye-opening relief for her. Oh has expressed admiration for what I’ve done, as well as a desire to emulate some of it. Coming along with me on a nomadic lifestyle supercharges all of that progress on her side. She can kill multiple birds with one stone.
Conclusion
I’ll reveal more details about our new nomadic lifestyle soon, including when we’re leaving Thailand and where we’re going first.
We’re somewhat limited on the countries we can stay in long term because of her Thai passport. But we have enough options, especially in ASEAN, to make it worthwhile.
Now, I will say that I don’t see this as a long-term lifestyle. We won’t be traveling like this for the next 10 years. It’s not sustainable, in my opinion.
But it’s an exciting proposition that works as an effective solution to bridge the gap between where we’re at now and where we might want to be in a few years.
Life is short. We have the time and money to do something like this right now, and the deteriorating long-stay visa situation in Thailand was all the incentive we needed to give it a shot.
Change is scary. But it’s also exciting. I’m very happy with the compromise we’ve come up with.
The fact that Oh is willing to trust me and make so many changes to her life shows me her true colors. It proves to me that she truly does believe in what I advocate. Not too many people in this world would give up their career, house, and homeland for an uncertain future. It would have been easier for her to let me go. I’m lucky to have such an amazing partner. And I’m looking forward to taking good care of her and experiencing an awesome adventure together.
Onward and upward. It’s going to be a very exciting 2020!
What do you think? Does a digital nomad lifestyle interest you? Is this a good solution for our situation?
Thanks for reading.
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Great idea for both 🙂 Phillipines or… ?
Damian,
Thanks! 🙂
I’ll soon discuss when we’re leaving and where we’re going. Stay tuned.
Cheers.
Have you ever considered Portugal? We welcome foreigners in tax terms 🙂
Anonymous,
Portugal doesn’t appeal to me for a variety of reasons, but I hope you enjoy it. 🙂
Best regards.
Wow! Bold move on her part. This is exciting. One of your best updates in awhile, especially without being primarily about money. Best of luck to you both.
fv,
Thanks a lot!
It’s definitely a bold move. It would have been easier for her to let me go. Glad she’s putting her faith in me. 🙂
Best wishes.
I think you two have taken an unfortunate situation and turned it into the start of an epic adventure! I’m just reading about it and it makes me hyped up with excitement. So, I imagine you all are really psyched and happy about the outcome.
Best of luck to you both. Can’t wait to read about where you all travel to next!
jh,
I love lemonade as much as the next guy, so I guess we took those lemons and made a big jug of the good stuff. 🙂
To be honest, I’m kind of glad it happened this way. Every time one door has closed in my life, I’ve found a bigger and better door open up pretty much immediately. Chiang Mai has given me so much, and I’ve taken it all. It’s now time to experience something new and grow. Can’t grow without change.
Thanks for the support!
Best regards.
Wow, an exciting new chapter to yours and Oh’s life. Can’t wait to read all the details. Congratulations on the new upcoming experiences.
Chad,
It’s going to be a much bigger change for her than it will be for me. I’m excited to experience this together. It won’t be forever, but it’ll sure be a fun stretch of life that we’ll never forget. 🙂
Thanks for stopping by!
Cheers.
This is a great decision!!
I truly believe you guys have made the best out of an unfortunate situation. Myself (and my now wife) travelled together and it brought us closer together, overcame obstacles together and made us appreciate things a lot more.
We were a team traveling and experiencing all the good and the bad that the world had to offer us. And although we did have our moments of arguing and falling out with each other (mainly over directions ha, ha), the good far outweighed the bad and overall it made us stronger. What doesn’t break you..
This is a great read (the financial stuff & stock purchases are my favorite) as it rings home.
Thailand will always be there and you never know, in 2 or 3 years time, marriage may just be on the cards and Thailand will be an appealing option once again.
I wish you both the very best of luck! 🙂
Regan,
Thanks so much! 🙂
Yeah, this was just adapting to an unforeseen challenge in the best way we possibly could. This solution didn’t happen overnight, and we had many discussions about what might work (and what wouldn’t work). Not easy to thread the needle, but I’m super happy with the compromise we came up with. It’s a win-win.
Definitely agree with you on the traveling. You get to know someone even better when you travel with them. Being in close proximity almost 100% of the time, and seeing them respond to a constant slew of new experiences and challenges gives you a new perspective on who they really are. I’m looking forward to that. Sounds like it worked out for the best for you and your wife, which is awesome!
Thailand will always be in my heart. No hard feelings on my part. It’ll be at the very least a second home for me. Maybe even more than that one day.
Best wishes.
How long would you have stayed in Thailand for if the visa situation wasn’t an issue? Another 12-24 months I’m assuming?
Ron,
That’s a good question. It’s tough to say. I used the word “indefinite” back when I first announced I was moving here. That’s how I always looked at it, and I liked it being tentative. No matter what, my long-term plan wasn’t to live here full time for the rest of my life. But it doesn’t really matter now, nor am I unhappy it turned out the way it did. I’m looking forward to the adventures ahead. 🙂
Cheers!
Best of luck to both of you! I think it’s cool you’re taking an unfortunate situation and turning it into an adventure.
I’ve been traveling with my girlfriend living the digital nomad lifestyle for the past four months and it’s been amazing. Hopefully, you and Oh enjoy it as well!
Will you still be in Chiang Mai in January 2020? I’ll be in Chiang Mai for Jan/Feb and then traveling throughout SE Asia the first half of 2020, hopefully our paths with cross at some point!
Nomad,
Awesome stuff. Really happy to hear that you and your girlfriend are enjoying it. Gotta go out and live your best life. 🙂
I won’t be in CM in January, but I hope you two have a fantastic time over here. I don’t think CM is particularly great as a tourist spot, but it’s a wonderful place to live a laid-back life.
Best regards.
I’d also love to hear about your new location…in due time. Political instability/changes has always been an immediate “no” for me in early retirement. Unfortunately it cost me an extra three years on the job!
Robert,
I’m super excited about 2020… and beyond. No hard feelings on my part in regard to the immigration restrictions here. Chiang Mai has been great, but I’ve taken all it has to give. And change doesn’t bother me at all, unlike the way it seems to bother most people. I like keeping my edge sharp, experiencing new things, and growing. Can’t grow without change.
Cheers!
Hi Jason,
Thanks for sharing the story, I appreciate your way of discussing the pro and cons for each of the option listed, I think both of you have selected the right choice :
1. Travelling together offer the highest flexibility in term of future choices including re-considering the other
options if Travel life style didn’t suite you or your GF.
2. Visa Law tends to change quite frequently depending on Government and the Geo-Political situation, the option to return in case the Visa law change is also possible.
3. You may find greener pasture in another country and decide to never return back to Thailand.
4. Travel will offer us the reader better content in this blog as you will explore new places and hence reflect different experience and newer contents.
Enjoy the travel.
ATM,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I totally agree.
I’ve always been a huge proponent of optionality. This gives us an option on coming back to Thailand in the future (should things change for the better), but we’re also not obligated to do so. In the meanwhile, we’ll go on new adventures and enjoy a new lifestyle for a while. This will definitely have the added benefit of providing fodder for new and interesting content, which will reflect whatever growth I experience through these changes. It’s a win-win across the board. 🙂
We’ll see how it goes. I’m excited!
Best wishes.
Dear JAson,
Sorry to hear abt this. I am glad that you with your positive outlook and planning are solving it with oh. But i am assuming that this is not turning you guys into digital nomads. Recall your post abt it. So whats the alternative? Very curious. Remember you also mentioned georgia (the country😁).
Cheers,
Rishi
Rishi,
Well, this whole situation would be much more difficult if I weren’t ready to see new pastures and undergo new experiences. But I think I’ve taken all that Chiang Mai has to give over the last two or so years. And unlike most people, I look forward to change. It doesn’t bother me. I like keeping my edge sharp and taking on new challenges.
I’m not sure what you’re referring to regarding the digital nomad thing. I’ll basically fit the definition to a T, since I’ll be nomadic and living off of a suite of successful income sources that are, indeed, digital. I’ll be more digital nomad than most of the so-called digital nomads that have come through Chiang Mai, even though I don’t really refer to myself as one. Oh might not necessarily be as digital as she will be nomadic, but she’ll have opportunities to try new things out. I’ll support her, regardless.
Cheers!
Jason,
Long time follower of your writings. It’s very sensible and practical.
Interesting update from your side of the world. Glad you’re both making the most of a frustrating situation.
Can I ask your opinion/thoughts, with respect to Chiang Mai and Thailand in general, if the recent Health Insurance requirement factored into your decision making? I don’t know the details about the Health Insurance requirement as it relates to a foreigner that is above/below 50 years of old, short term vs long term stay(retirement/OA Visa), but I hear that this insurance requirement threw a wrench in things for expats in Thailand. Or was it purely Visa requirements getting too stringent and becoming unwelcoming to retirees?
Anyway, I know you both will do fine. You have a good head on your shoulders and Oh sounds like a keeper. You’re both young and sound adventurous. I wish you the best moving forward in this next chapter of your lives.
And like you said about change, “who moved my cheese?” is a good and necessary way to see and live life.
Bon voyage,
Kevin
Kevin,
Thanks for the readership and support! 🙂
The health insurance stuff relates to certain retirement visas for those 50+. Frankly, it’s not a bad idea. If I were Thailand, I’d probably want older foreigners to have some kind of insurance, so as to not be a drain on the Thai system. But that has nothing to do with me, nor did it factor into our decision to leave. However, it is indicative of the increasing restrictiveness in Thailand.
We’re super excited for the adventures. It won’t be forever, but we have the time, money, and energy for something like this right now. These opportunities don’t come around every day, and life is too short to not try it out.
Best regards.
I had a similar situation when I moved to Shanghai and started dating someone there. I knew that if we were to be together long term, we would have to find a country where we would permanently can be together with no long term uncertainties
Similar to Thailand, a foreigner getting permanent residency in China was really not an option – technically the possibility exists but it’s like a mythical beast. You never actually know of anyone personally who has succeeded.
We got married and applied for a green card for her to live in the US. It was a different political climate back then so the process was easier.
If this is a real long term marriage quality type of relationship, you will likely need to do something similar. Or maybe EU citizenship?
Good luck!
Adrian,
Thanks for sharing that!
I hear you there. Every country is different in regard to immigration, but it does seem like there’s kind of a widespread sense of nationalism taking over right now. That is causing some countries to tighten up on their borders. China sounds somewhat similar to Thailand in terms of the difficulty of permanent residency. I actually quite like existing as something of a “permanent tourist”, and it was once very possible to be one in Thailand. But things have rapidly changed here.
I do see some value in bringing Oh to the US, assuming we later get married and are deciding where to settle down. I can deal with the rigmarole of the Thai marriage visa, but I think it would eventually wear me out. Moreover, I like the idea of getting her a US passport, which would greatly improve our future travel options. The Thai passport is a big limitation. And there’s the SS benefit as a US citizen, too. So there’s some merit to the idea of bringing a spouse over; however, that would be a discussion for us sometime down the road. Meanwhile, the adventures ahead are very exciting. Lots to see and do. 🙂
Best wishes.
Good luck to you both!
weenie,
Thanks so much. We’re very excited. 🙂
Cheers!
Wish you all the best both of you!
I think Philipino would be a good option but I know you have a bunch of other options in your mind. It is an opportunity to see new places and meet new people. Looking forward to hear your next exciting place..
Best of luck!
FJ,
Thank you very much. 🙂
Yeah, we have a lot of options, which is awesome. Not as many options as we might have if Oh had a better passport, but we have plenty of places to keep us busy for a while.
It’ll be fun to share these adventures with everyone. I’m looking forward to it!
Best regards.
I love your articles man. I will be traveling through central and south america for all of 2020 volunteering on organic farms. mixing in travel adventure between farm stays. When I visit your site and see a new post it makes my evening better. I’m also translating it into the Spanish apps for good immersion practice. I just returned my leased “fleeced” vehicle to the dealer. No car payment, no insurance, gas, registration, parking…ect. I recall an article you wrote where it’s not the bill itself, but the thought energy it takes up knowing it’s due. Can’t wait keep growing with you.
Paul,
Sounds like an exciting 2020 ahead for both of us, then. 🙂
Giving up the car is a life-changing decision. And, yeah, losing all of the related stress that comes with owning this big hunk of machinery and the associated recurring bills/responsibilities is amazing. It really does free you in a major way. I couldn’t imagine ever going back to owning a car.
2020 is coming up fast. Let’s get it!
Best wishes.
Best wishes to both of you. It’s great you know how to roll with the punches. A lot of people would stress out so much more, but you have the choice to just move on. That’s amazing. Great job building this lifestyle for yourself.
It was great to catch up with you a bit in Chiang Mai. We just made it back home. Whew, long travel is getting tougher as we’re getting older. Enjoy your adventures!
Joe,
It was nice to catch up with you in Chiang Mai. Glad you guys made it home to PDX. I hear you on that long-distance travel. I still shudder when I think back to that long flight away from the States. 😂
Appreciate the kind words. It’s a very interesting road ahead. We’re excited. Gotta make the most of our limited time.
Thanks for stopping by!
Best regards.
Hi Jason,
yes, I think this is for now the best option you can choose. And it is a good test how you both act together when you are travelling, organise new things and not everything is always easy going. If this works well and you both have fun with it and with each other, I asume you can plan longer into the future.
Yes, you are right. Everything is getting more national and I´m not sure, if this is getting more strict it´s a good way for a lot of people. I can understand, that not everyone likes especially in the developed countries a huge immigration. But on the other side, if you are looking for the rules in a positive way it should be possible to stay a longer time there without any trouble and much senseless work with immigration offices. But it is what it is.
I wish you both the best wherever you will travel the next time.
Regards Oliver
Oliver,
Appreciate the thoughts.
This is a good litmus test for the relationship. I think an interesting challenge/adventure like this will tell us just how durable the relationship is and how coexistent we are. You get to know someone intimately when you’re traveling and spending 24/7 together. 🙂
The nationalistic attitudes seem to ebb and flow. It’s obviously a less advantageous ebb for me right now, at least in Thailand. Might flow again in the future. Tough to say. I think I was about five years too late with coming to Thailand as I did. Maybe I should have figured out how to FIRE at 25 instead. 😂
We’ll see how things go, but I’m pretty excited about it. Life is so short. It’s awesome to have this kind of opportunity. I’m extremely fortunate and grateful.
Best regards.
Hi Jason! Long-time reader, first time commenting on your blog.
Best of luck to both of you. Your partner is showing a pretty strong commitment in the relationship to decide to left everything behind on takes on what can become the next chapter of her life. That is amazing! Maybe she will realize that she can be happier by traveling more. Would she be able to become location independent with her job?
As for us, we started slow traveling the world as a couple almost two years ago and can’t imagine getting back to our “static” life back home. Maybe it is our way to incorporate constant change into our lifestyle 🙂 As you said we aren’t fighting for change and are rather embracing it along with all the goodness that comes with it!
NN,
Thanks for the well wishes. We’re both excited about everything yet to come. 🙂
Yeah, she’s really showing her level of commitment to the relationship. I’m a lucky guy. Frankly speaking, it would be easier for both of us to say goodbye and move on. I’d go off to see new places and meet new people, while she’d be able to seamlessly slip right back into her Thai life. It wouldn’t be a problem. But we both value the bond too much. There’s so much mutual respect, trust, affection, and admiration there.
The travel is very exciting. However, it won’t be forever. I don’t think the whole “digital nomad” lifestyle is sustainable for the long term. But I think it’ll be super fun to take it on for a bit while we later figure out a more viable long-term solution.
Enjoy the slow travels. A lot to see and do. It’s a big world out there!
Best regards.
Having lived in Thailand for a while and dated Thais along with traveling overseas with them this might prove more dificult than you imagine. In general, Thais are very particular about eating Thai food and do not have a tolerance for cold weather. This kind of rules out staying in Europe. In terms of other Asian countries, you could have a decent life in a few of them. Laos, Cambodia, Philippines and Malaysia come to mind, but it would be more difficult for a Thai woman living there since it would be hard for her to make friends with local women who mostly want to hang out with their own. As a USA expat you could make friends easily with other guys from the West but it would be a bit more difficult for her. Anyway, this will be a interesting test for your relationship. All the best.
LD,
Appreciate the thoughts. I agree with you across the board.
Oh’s preference for Thai food works out great for me. It’s cheaper and healthier, which means my wallet stays fat and our bodies stay thin. But traveling around to areas where Thai food isn’t super prevalent will be tough for her. I think that’s the same for anyone, really. Most of the long-term expats I’ve met here in Thailand search around for Western food for every meal, then complain that it “doesn’t taste like home”. So I think this is a universal thing rather than a Thai thing.
As for the cold weather, that’s something that I might actually beat Oh on. I’m very averse to cold weather. It’s one reason I moved from Michigan to Florida back in 2009. And it was a big part of the equation when I decided to come to SE Asia. We can still visit many places, but we have to be cognizant of the seasons.
If this were more of a long-term lifestyle, I’d say we might run into major problems. Had I gone to Oh and asked her to travel for the next 10 years, I’m quite sure she would have declined. But since I actually hate traveling and frequently bouncing around, I would have never done that. As I noted, this is more of a short-term lifestyle that acts as a bridge to get us from where we are to where we might want to be in the future (in a more settled life). I like the idea of being based in Thailand and having a second home somewhere, but the “digital nomad” lifestyle isn’t terribly appealing to me as a long-term concept. I see nothing attractive about being nomadic for the long term.
It’ll definitely be a good test of the relationship, which is something I’m kind of angling for. I think there’s a lot of value to be had in going through a challenge like this together. Tells you what someone is made of. And it also gives me an approximate gauge of how adaptable Oh is, which provides me better perspective on how many options we have down the road.
Thanks again!
Best wishes.